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Damaged 'Obama as Hitler' Display Could Lead to Charges

A Shrewsbury man may face charges for damaging a table displaying an anti-Obama message in Northborough.

Carl Lund said, "It was just wrong."

Lund, a local businessman who grew up in Northborough and now lives in Shrewsbury, may face charges for kicking over and damaging an anti-Obama display set up last week in Northborough. The display included pictures of President Barack Obama with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache.

"I am a veteran and American citizen and will not tolerate someone portraying the President of the United States as Adolf Hitler," Lund told police. "This is why I did this."   

Police had responded to the scene shortly after 4 p.m. on Thursday, Dec. 6, when on the sidewalk in front of Bank of America, two men had set up the anti-Obama display. Ian Brinkley and Jared Caskill, who called police, reported that Lund approached them and began yelling at them for having signs viewable to the public.

"They reported that they had paperwork on the table and were voicing their opinion about the President of the United States," said police.  

Brinkley and Caskill said that Lund approached the table and threw it into the street, causing damage to the table and most of the materials that were on it. They reported the damages at more than $50, and said they would be willing to go to court on the matter, according to police.

Lund, who is the president of Heritage Home Carpentry in Shrewbury, told Patch, "I grew up on Lincoln Street in Northborough, and I've lived in Shrewsbury for 40 years. I'm real local, and I'm a veteran, and this was just the wrong thing to be doing. I know there are no laws against it, but you just don't depict the president as Hitler."

Driving by earlier in the day, Lund said he saw the display set up, and when he saw the men still there later on, his anger got the best of him and he pulled over.

"Part of being a citizen is patriotism," he said. "If you are willing to defend your country, you have to take a stand. There was something there was just wrong."

Lund added that he went to Bill's Barber Shop after the incident, and that there were "a couple of other veterans in there that were very upset."

"On top of it, you've got the Bank of America sign right there," he said. "And they picked Pearl Harbor Day of all days. It was just deplorable. They were college students or something. They were young. I was just burned up, and I kicked their stuff over and wouldn't let them pick it up until the cops came."

Lund was told by police that he would be charged with malicious destruction of property under $250 and would receive paperwork in the mail from the court in the coming weeks.

"Whatever happens happens," said Lund. "They haven't called me yet and I don't know if they will do anything. There were no threats made, but I told them if they were back, I'd be back. Otherwise maybe there would have been a second offense. I did go online, and apparently there is no law about defacing the face of the president. So that's that. It was all over in 20 minutes."    

Both MyFoxBoston  and WBZ also reported on the issue in its Tuesday night newscasts.

Nic December 12, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Whether or not you voted for Barrack Obama, he is our president and deserves our respect. Yes, we have freedom of speech but comparing Obama to Hitler is just sheer ignorance. People who burn the American flag are not only disrespecting our country’s ideals, but the men and women who served in the military to maintain these ideals.
west meff December 12, 2012 at 04:28 PM
People have a right to be ignorant (although Obama is infact more like Hitler than Thomas Jefferson but thats another topic for another day). Yes men and women have served in the military and swore to defend THE CONSTITUTION not the president or government and the constitution protects people from the government infringing on their right to be ignorant.
Martha December 12, 2012 at 04:56 PM
Obama has not been given a respect dictate, he earns it or he doesn't, regardless of his standing in our country. Our men and woman in the military have not received a respect dictate either, some deserve it and some don't. Finally, even ignorant people are allowed to practice free speech, pretty cool idea, huh?
Travis Cormier December 12, 2012 at 05:47 PM
If that was Bush with a Hitler mustache, this would be a non-story.
D B December 12, 2012 at 07:25 PM
1) a person earns one's respect. BO has not earned mine 2) burning the flag is wrong, though it is allowed as free speech 3) comparing BO to hitler...that's free speech. The same thing that Mr. Lund fought for 4) BO nor his wife respects normal flag protocall. this is not acceptable. 5) BO invites a korean rapper that rants about killing Americans to the white house. This korean guy is no better than hitler.
D B December 12, 2012 at 08:10 PM
@ Gd - and others This has nothing to do with the Tea Party. Can't you see that LaRouche as Mr. Goodnow explained is a Democrat?.... it's funny how everbody can get all up in arms over this statement of free speech. When the shoe is on the other foot, it's okay. Like yesterday when the union thugs didn't like the right-to-work protester tent...so they tore it down....they didn't like what one of the potesters had to say, so they punched him in the face..... i am seeing a commonality between these actions and what Mr. Lund did? Don't you?
Patricia Webler December 13, 2012 at 12:49 AM
I wholeheartedly support Mr. Lund in his actions. If depicting the President as Hitler is freedom of speech, we can make case that Mr. Lund's actions are freedom of speech, as well. If displaying a sign like that is legal and tearing it down is not, there is something very wrong. Mr. Obama has been re-elected and these idiots who can't accept that need to either move to another country or shut up.
robert boberg December 13, 2012 at 01:13 AM
These guys could be thought of as a potential threat to the President- Perhaps you should have reported them and their actions to The Secret Service. I am sure it would have been kept on record/
Patricia Webler December 13, 2012 at 01:38 AM
Everyone has the right to voice their opinon about the President. That's America. However, if I were to burn the Flag in front of Dunkin Donuts on Main street I would expect a proud American, Democrat or Republican, to intervene and douse the flames. When you throw gasoline on a fire, by connecting Obama with a monster whose actions killed millions, you can expect to be burned, or have your table and poster kicked into the gutter. A real man, rather than dial 911 for "assistance", simply picks up his trash and goes home to contemplate the reality that there are still Mr Lunds, impassioned and fighting mad about "in your face" propaganda, that walk among us. If there were more Mr. Lunds in Germany in during the 1930's, who stood up to Hitler's brown shirts, a funny little mustache on our President's face would have no meaning today.
Ron Goodenow December 13, 2012 at 03:35 AM
Patricia, I am moved by your comment. Like many of my friends, I watched the screaming and yelling in many town meetings about death panels, Obama the 'socialist' and all the canards that came up out of a sewer of anger. Then there were the birther lies and, of course, the many portrayals of Obama as Hitler by people who do not have a clue as to what Hitler really did, in part with his counterpart Stalin. This was all far more complex and widespread than most of the rants about Bush. Of course, the sad thing is that there were Germans who who stood up to Hitler, and many of them, including huge numbers of socialists, professors, doctors, and veterans, immediately went to camps like Dachau established to concentrate their minds (at first, later they were mass murder places). We in America do not really understand this, or the real Hitler. It is part of our ignorance about history, and it makes for dramatic comparisons and utterly slanderous comparisons. Though I am personally, as one who has been studying Nazi Germany and WWII a great deal, very worried about American expansionism, torture, and even the abrogation of the Nuremberg standards, I cannot, having watched a lot of this close up, figure out the best way to deal with the fascism of the LaRouche people, some of the tea party wackos, and others who so crassly engage in ignorant comparisons. Its a real test of our concepts of freedom of speech and rightful protest. In that regard, what happened here may be useful..
west meff December 13, 2012 at 06:28 AM
Lund is a criminal and some of the people on here sound like they'd like to have lived under Hitler's rule. He destroyed someone's private property thats illegal and against the law. The person/people with the sign have a first ammendment right to that sign. Again, we do NOT have a first amendment so we can talk about the weather. We have a first amendment so we can say/express exreme things about anything we want including the government. Hmmm Hitler and the nazi's didn't allow anyone to dipict Hitler negatively.... sounds like what some of you want. Obama isn't a socialist he's a facist just like Hiter. He has no reguard for our rights, picks winners and losers in the market, wages illegal immoral wars, kills citizens without trial.....
Mike Long December 13, 2012 at 01:00 PM
Ron, There you go again with the pejorative adjectives. Your constant barrage in this thread to stereotype "tea party" people based on unfounded accusations and media folklore is not helping your argument. Search for "bush anti war protests" to look back at the Left's actions and words during the Bush Presidency. Apparently freedom of speech only applies only if it is deemed to be politically correct. As for you intellectual superiority when it comes to WWII history … give me a break! You need to take a breath and come back from the brink of insanity. Put down the kool-aid and have a nice cup of hot tea. You are starting to sound like the extreme loony left.
Ron Goodenow December 13, 2012 at 02:25 PM
So its the 'brink of insanity' to study Hitler and suggest that others do that before glib and dangerous comparisons, whether on the right or left???? As a historian I will study what I wish without cheap psychologizing as a response. Mike, you have been a long time tea party spokesperson around here, but I did not expect you to suggest that trying to understand fascism in historical context is close to being nuts. Perhaps you should do some historical study and get out of your own bubble. I would be happy to send you (or anyone else) a good bibliography. You have no idea of what I said about characterizations of Bush, but you can be sure that I would have been as unhappy about Hitlerisms then as I am now with regarding to current wing nuts. Or again, as leading GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, and more than a few others on the right have said, the 'loonies' and 'wackos' who are dragging down your party. Sorry the terminology is 'pejorative'. Oh, and I do prefer coffee this time of day.
Mike Long December 13, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Ron, It is the excessive use of insults that you unleash on people who you politically disagree with that puts you on the brink of insanity.
The Troll of Northborough December 13, 2012 at 04:28 PM
So it sounds like this took place on Bank of America's property. They support the portrayal of 'Obama as Hitler' ? Wow do I want to hear BOA's statement on this!!
Ron Goodenow December 13, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Thanks Dr. Psychology. I'll go buy a white jacket to make it easier for you. I have made very CRITICAL comments here about members of political movements on both sides of the spectrum, some of whom should probably have their heads examined. I did not reference individuals or go into the local tea party in particular, though I would love to hear your defense of the birther from Arizona and the guy from New Zealand who apparently thinks Obama is part of a commie conspiracy -- both of whom your group had here before the election (Loudon is still featured on your web page). And, you seem silent about some of the silly comments in this post about Obama being a fascist or closer to Hitler than Jefferson. So you seem to play a double game. One as a calm and rational psychologist who accuses someone in opposition as being nearly nuts, and the other a member of a group increasingly discredited and wildly unpopular in public opinion because of its positions on many issues and excesses which have included seeing the president as a Nazi, fascist, commie or whatever. Surely we don't need another conspiracy (eg. from the media or nutty critics) to understand this public opinion and the outcome of an election.. Anyhow, I think this post is exhausted until we have more info on the original case at hand. Adios.
west meff December 13, 2012 at 05:45 PM
Ron you have no understanding of the constitution, how can you possibly be a historian. How is Obama NOT a facist and closer to Hitler than Jefferson? Obama has killed U.S citizens without trial, he's extended the patriot act, he's passed the national defense authorization act allowing him to murder anyone without trial, he picks winners and losers in the market, he's waged 5 illegal immoral wars, he has kill lists of u.s citizens.... I'm no tea bagger either. They're a bunch of clowns as well.
The Troll of Northborough December 13, 2012 at 05:46 PM
Things we cant do: Can’t say pledge of allegiance to the flag in schools. Can’t pray in schools. Can’t call Christmas time Christmas season; We have to call it holiday season. Cant dress like a native American in a music video But we can let someone paint up the President, our commander and chief and compare him to Hitler, the man that was intent on wiping every Jewish person off the face of the earth?
Ron Goodenow December 13, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Since directed a me a quick response. I very much agree with you west meff on some egregious things we have been doing lately with regard to the Patriot Act, and murders without trial or warrant. Oh, and electronic and other spying. Read Johnathan Turley on some of these issues and his fears we are losing rights, and have been for some time. However, I consider it a stretch both to compare Obama and the GOP folks who support him on these issues, or initiated some themselves (including torture, ending habeas corpus for many, and undeclared wars -- with Democratic help, which I opposed) to either Hitler OR slave-holding Jefferson in a blanket and simple propagandistic way. There are very different times and places involved. Though my reading about Stailin, Hitler and other totalitarians is very disturbing because it raises important questions about totalitarianism, war and mass murder, I find the comparisons by wing nuts unwarranted and dangerous. As for whether or not I understand the constitution, I am not a self proclaimed expert (and not as dumb as you suggest), but then there are many who would claim our Supreme Court, folks in Congress, etc. don't understand it either. I think it is better to just make a straight argument, call out people and things we don't like and not get too deep into analogies that end up distorting the purpose of the argument in the first place. Hope this helps.
Joe December 13, 2012 at 06:34 PM
I refuse to recognise the fraud and criminal Barack Hussein Obama as my president. And I will give him the same respect he has given me. NONE.
Joe December 13, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Exactly. Total HYPOCRISY!
Ron Goodenow December 13, 2012 at 06:59 PM
Will, since you mentioned me......I agree with you 100% and would go further and say that we should welcome and encourage dissent...and help angry people like Mr. Lund understand the most effective way to respond (maybe marching around the table naked, as they would do back in my Berkeley days :-) ). Sorry Carl -- you and I would be whisked away pretty quickly. As a pretty libertarian person I am one of those 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' guys. I guess I view this as a good 'teachable moment' in which we look at the extent and origins of some of the nutty stuff that gets dropped into our midst. Stay warm and covered! If you see me out there running around in the buff the white jacket with straps I ordered for my right wing shrink is in my trunk....
Coralreefer December 13, 2012 at 07:53 PM
Dang..... my thunder's been stolen. I had read some of the initial discussion and had prepped the following comment and now it's all been said pretty well already: I find it somewhat disingenuous for Northborough Tea Party folk to be commenting on fostering rational disagreement when the NTP’s website focus for the election centered around presentations attempting to resurrect the birther issue (long after everyone except Trump signed off on it) and their current hot topic, Trevor Louden’s rants. Check northboroughteaparty.com and since two weeks before the election they’ve been touting “Do you want to make a difference in the Presidential election?” That’s a promotion for a Trevor Louden video linking the President and most of the Democratic Party with a communist conspiracy aimed at destroying capitalism and the United States itself. So I’m unclear how their public website with a communist slur is all that different from the LaRouche nazi slur?
Stephen Pohl December 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM
West, you say so much, without specifics, or details. - What U.S. citizens has Obama killed without trial? - Both the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act were passed by Congress before being signed into law. You make it sound like the Acts were a Hitler like decree of ONE person. - What winners and losers did he pick? - Name 5 wars.
Travis Cormier December 14, 2012 at 02:09 AM
What about the U.S. citizens he let die in Benghazi which he tried to cover up before the election and we come to find out now that a rescue party was sent and then called off. Or that Obama had the chance to veto the Defense Authorization Act and he signed it into law knowing full well what the potential the act has. GM and others got bailed out because they contributed to his campaign (Solyndra) and let other businesses go bankrupt. He continued the Bush policies in Iraq and Afghanistan when he said he would get everyone out ASAP and entered in conflicts in Libya, soon Syria and Iran, he helped put the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt while he continues to brush aside the Israelis. This man and his socialist followers in the Democratic party are just fullfilling Lenin's prophecy of America. Obama whole heartedly believes we should be punished and he is going to do that by purposely destroying our economy and reducing us to a third world country, We are turning away immigrants who can contribute to our society and economy and allowing Amnesty to immigrants who suck off the teat of the American taxpayer. Many here I'm sure will disagree with me, and it doesn't matter, we are all going to be effected. When Obama reduces the American dollar to the point when the world no longer uses it for trade, you will all witness the end of America as we know it, and there is nothing short of another revolutionary war to change that. See you all in the bunkers!!
Ron Goodenow December 14, 2012 at 03:04 AM
At least one Nboro Tea Party member, Mr. Cormier, has laid out the Trevor Loudon party line on Obama socialism and lackeys. Thank God he didn't hit us with the Mayan end of the word scenario (oops, too late) or the Obama born on the Russian side of the moon theory, the one I heard at a bar in New Mexico. And I have been accused of being nearly nuts by a Tea Party sage. LOL. His rather loosey goosey conspiratorial views of science and climate change, expressed and put down elsewhere by scientist Andy Koenigsberg, are almost as entertaining. http://northborough.patch.com/articles/do-you-think-global-warming-is-warming-the-winter#comments Surely the Tea Party can do better to fight the growing consensus about its nuttiness. I would ask my tea party shrink Mike if he agrees with these views before I wrap myself in white coat and straps. Or is it just mainstream thought that is criticized unfairly. LOL again.
west meff December 14, 2012 at 05:11 AM
Obama has murder U.S citizens labeled as terror 'suspects' with drones and no trial such as Awmaki. Obama is sworn to up hold the constitution, it doesn't matter if it's passed by congress or not it's illegal. Obama takes your money by force through taxes and gives it to big corporations, bails out failed corporations. Picking winners and losers in the market. Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Pakistan and Yemen. (yes drone strikes are an act of war)
Postman December 14, 2012 at 02:34 PM
Bank of America sign? Ha, what a joke! I wonder if he knows that bank of America does NOT require SS numbers anymore for issuing credit cards, thus tapping into the illegal market. And what happens when you can't get these cards paid off (because why would they with no SS number) they increase the fees to compensate. That's why I left them last year. This guy reminds me of the union thugs in Michigan. You don't like it, look away! This is America...remeber, the freedom YOU fought for. And I do certainly thank you for your service, that's NEVER in question.
Nadine December 17, 2012 at 01:57 AM
Only one person in the story committed a crime and needs to be charged with it... simple as that.
bobby February 23, 2013 at 03:34 PM
Obama is just stupid and doesn't know what he is doing..... this is amarica: Let's vote for the black guy. Yea your not racist, dumb asses, just because you voted for someone who is black doesn't mean your off the hook for being racist. You can take that to a fight.... You get in perdickerment* with black folks: "hey don't hurt me cuase I voted for obama. COME ON obama not going to save you in a fist fight.... even if he is precent. So stop focusing on what the people look like when they run for president. Because if there was a naked sexy hot chick running for president I'm prettyy sure that she will get all the straigh dude votes and all the lessy votes. That just shows how dumb amaricans can be. Thanks Amarican dumb asses

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